Deafread and Deafvideo.TV – Stay on and Win the Battle!

I have thought hard about those two important web sites: Deafread and DeafVideo.TV.

I have noticed those two web sites paved way to make the Deaf world stronger through advocacy. Deaf Bilingual Coalition, DeafHood, AFA, etc. came from people who were involved with DeafRead and DeafVideo.TV. I think people need to stop and think for a moment because walking out will not solve anything. The world is watching and I understand many people were being tested, insulted, demeaned, and above all crushed. Anyone who overcame these adversaries should be honored because they stayed firm with their beliefs and did not drop their guard. Who cares what the owner of the web site says? It is the people that made up the web site itself. People have power and continue with what you believed. When you walk out and it means you accepted defeat and many people are happy to see that happen. I am not happy because most of you are awesome people and very inspiring. Please reconsider your position and stay on the course. There are talks within the deaf community saying that the Deaf Intellectuals got so scared and could not handle oppression and decided to walk out. They could not win so they left. Only a few left and that will create history that the deaf intellectuals should not be trusted to stay on the course. They like to bomb and run. They like to brag and act like they know everything and when challenged they run away. This is not a good  image to see. Stay on the course and lead by example and running away is not the way to do it. Be firm with your beliefs and things will merge when all dust settles. Deafhood, AFA, and DBC does have value and running away kills the credibility of these important organizations. Come back to Deafread and Deafvideo.TV also show the world what you are made of instead of crying “Audism” because we have a bigger fish to fry.

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59 Comments

  1. September 21, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    Well written!

  2. anonymous said,

    September 21, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    good points throughout. however, the walkouts should not return for they already failed. what we need is a new generation who understands diversity and can leverage it to our advantage. while they themselves are members of a diversity group, they do not tolerate diversity. instead, they’ve plotted long and hard to censor anyone opposing them. join me in applauding the Deafread for standing their ground.

    • deafherbalist said,

      September 21, 2009 at 11:11 pm

      I think they should come back. It is their reputation that is at stake. There are people out there who enjoyed their viewpoints. I pray that they will come back and start educating us again. I do not believe that deafread or deafvideo.tv will harbor any form of hatred because it is part of the process. Growing pains to be specific and what is the most important point is that who stays until the end wins. I enjoyed learning from those wonderful organizations and they need to keep on spreading those gospels to keep us informed about Deaf issues.

      • anonymous said,

        September 22, 2009 at 12:06 am

        deafherbalist, they are not open to others. they do not practice diversity. so how can you want to hear their gospels?

      • deafherbalist said,

        September 22, 2009 at 12:20 am

        Anon,

        Many of us including me have watched their videos and enjoyed learning new things about Deaf issues. The other group who has disagreed and why are we lumped into their group? We have no part of the other group’s activities. There was a large number of people who enjoyed the DeafHood, AFA and DBC’s postings. The small opposing groups made them walk out? That does not make sense to me. I am sorry I cannot comprehend this. They had a great audience and they left because of a small group of people who does not agree. Who cares about what that group thinks? It is not up to them to decide what is best for me. Now it appears it is. *sigh!*

  3. deafherbalist said,

    September 21, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    I wanted to add one more point. Dr, Rev Martin Luther King, Jr.’s people were bitten by dogs, clubbed by police, and water hosed but those people stayed on course and won the civil rights victory. Just because the web site owner refused to put the word “audism” on the list of oppression does not give you the excuse to walk out. Remember, DeafRead and DeafVideo.TV is a media outlet. You are broadcasting what you believed in and walking out shows that you are prone to Deaf authority issues and it makes you look bad. Those are word wars and easily to ignore. Dr. King’s people went through physical torture for something they held on. Comparing to those who walked out are children who is mad at the web site owner because he refused to put an Audism flag on his flagpole.

  4. anonymous said,

    September 21, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Deafread website owner refused to put the term Audism in their website because not everyone agrees to it (see on deafvideo.TV). again there’s that diversity that the walkouts are not accepting. they want to force it on everyone.

    what pains me is that they do not understand that if they “broadcast” their ideas on an one-sided media outlet, they are not listened to as openly. because it reeks of Bias.

    • deafherbalist said,

      September 21, 2009 at 8:30 pm

      I understand your point and what I do when I do know that person is against the Deaf issues in general by not clicking their topics. When you do and you are giving that person more power and their ratings increases.

      Deafhood, Deaf Bilingual Coalition, Audism Free America, National Association of the Deaf, NAACP are biased groups, Deafread and Deafvideo.TV accepts all kinds of biases and they only broadcast what you put in and thats about it.

      The best policy is to respect one another and promote your beliefs. Do not worry about what others are saying and just do what you think is right.

      • the one and only ridor said,

        September 21, 2009 at 10:10 pm

        Please. I was banned from DeafRead and DeafVideo. I can easily argue the other way around but I rather not to. Because it is waste of my time. Just take a good look at the owner and the editors. They ruined the aggregators.

        Steers away from being deaf-centric blogs/vlogs.

        Staying on DVTV and DR will not be productive in the long run. Let’s face the music: Joey Baer was right all along in the first place.

        Calling them cowards? Please. I think you need to turn the table upon the owner and the editors for spinning plenty of lies.

        Oh, don’t bother to respond because I won’t come back.

        Hasta la vista!

        R-

      • paul said,

        September 21, 2009 at 10:24 pm

        lol ridor is getting desperate!

  5. Valhallian said,

    September 21, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    while you are making sense and I do agree with your assessment, but I also understand them wanting to create their own aggregator for their own reasons, they want to be able to be around people who all share the same beliefs and nothing else.

    While I am ok with them wanting to develop their own aggregator, I still hope that these people would still contribute to Deafread and DVTV as it would reach out to people who may not be as, ahh how do I put it this way, perhaps conservative is the best choice of words I can think of. If you can think of a better word, please feel free to state it. But I also agree with the second commenter that we need more diversity awareness among our own deaf and hard of hearing people.

    • deafherbalist said,

      September 21, 2009 at 11:13 pm

      If that is true and more power to them!

      As long as they are spreading the information and keeps us informed of any new developments.

    • anonymous said,

      September 22, 2009 at 12:10 am

      Valhallian, your comment means well. the people that walked out are an embarrassment to the deaf community. they are extremeists. we are better off without them in Deafread. we need good leaders who listen and respect to all sides.

  6. Valhallian said,

    September 21, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    well anon #4, the problem is that the deaf population overall does not agree with on the exact definition of audism so I can imagine that if it were actually listed in a well known dictionary, then the website owner could perhaps put it in there. Putting in a word that does not have a clear definition would actually cause the website owner to open up a significantly bigger can of worms ya know?

  7. deafherbalist said,

    September 21, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    I wanted to be clear. I am against all kinds of forms of oppressions (racism, sexism, audism, deafism, ageism, etc.) and it would take a long list to post specific kinds of oppression labels on the web site. To sum it all up and the word oppression suffice in my opinion. Let’s not play that word game because it is really dividing the Deaf community. All that over semantics? I do not think it is worth it because we have a lot on our plate such as employment, deaf schools closing, Gallaudet enrollment, NAD membership declining, and etc, are also important. Playing with the semantics is really a distraction from the real issue.

    Let’s bring the Deaf people into one table and hash out the issues that we are having and focus on priorities for the Deaf population in general.

    • September 21, 2009 at 8:37 pm

      You said it all! Semantics really drags us all down, and it is very distracting.

      The real issue is promotion of American Sign Language and why it is beneficial to all of us, and younger generation. That promotion does not need to be politicized. Also other issues are very real and there is no way of us working together to make this happen.

      Thanks for your blog and comments too!

  8. anonymous said,

    September 21, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    I FULLY second your comment, deafherbalist. nicely put!

  9. gamas said,

    September 21, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Everyone is entitled to do what they want.

    You said “two web sites paved way to make the Deaf world stronger through advocacy. Deaf Bilingual Coalition, DeafHood, AFA, etc.”

    I beg to differ. DBC, Deafhood and AFA did not make the deaf world stronger. It further divided the deaf community. DBC, Deafhood and AFA are the worst thing that ever happened to the deaf community.

    You may disagree with me now, which is ok. You are entitled to. Let time itself reveal the truth. As you know these people who supported these organization are currently in the progress of setting up a new aggregator. Time will reveal the truth. We will see whether my opinion rings true or whether yours will. 😉

    • Stephen Hardy said,

      September 21, 2009 at 10:58 pm

      gamas,

      It is a certain group that has been dividing the organizations. It is best to ignore them and continuing to keep the eye on the prize. There will be obstacles it is because there are people who may or may not agree which is normal. Every organization has that kind of friction and DBC, DeafHood, and AFA are NOT immune also it is important to stay on course because those organizations are being tested. I applaud those organizations and they are doing a great service to the Deaf community and the problem is they take things too personal. Those battles are designed to make those organizations stronger and building thick skins. I want to see those organizations succeed and walking out sends the wrong message to the world. Fight and stay on course until the battle is won. The divisions are a short term distractions and the leader should steer its ship around this and keep on going until the end. The opposing groups will give up because they know that those organization are determined and goal orientated. Giving up so easy and I was shocked to be honest with you when they closed up shop at the media outlet and missed a great opportunity to educate the Deaf masses. They blew it!

  10. White Ghost said,

    September 21, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    When they wanted to put the ‘audism’ on the DVTV’s R-List, it made me to think of the segregation eras. They are trying to defeat the Milan 1880’s. Trying to avenge the Milan 1880’s will not win anything in the 21st century. Regardless, it’s all the past that they never get over it.

    However, deafherbalist at 7:52 PM, it’s analogy that in America did not recognize the Milan 1880’s in the 19th century. They should be grateful that they fought the congress not to recognize the Milan 1880’s back then when they lived in this free country.

    It’s good to know that the Deafread and DVTV owner would follow the example of the equal access in the v/blogosphere. We are all know that there is “All men created equal” in America. Tayler knows that! He’s a true U.S. citizen who follows the walks of life. I wholeheartedly appreciate Tayler for his own thoughts in the DR’s guidelines and DVTV’s R-list.

  11. Stephen Hardy said,

    September 21, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Mr. Taylor (Ridor9th),

    I cannot speak for the editors and I understand that you were banned for some reason. This is not something I would elaborate because I do not know the whole story. Nevertheless, this is a media outlet and you are broadcasting news, information, press releases to the masses and this is not a mental health service. I think personal issues should not be imparted from this media outlet. It is about sharing information to bind the Deaf community together and I value your comments because you were the one that attracted me towards your web site (ridorlive.com) to learn about the protest at Gallaudet University. Your web site was a media outlet and the concept is still the same for deafread and deafvideo.tv. Do not worry about the owner and his staff. Just do what you do best by informing the Deaf public about what had happened within the Deaf community. I enjoyed your perspectives and I recalled you were telling us about a deaf person who was leaving home and you helped that person, also I recalled you were telling us not to trust the police officers because they lack Deaf sensitivity. Those are awesome news, Mr. Taylor and I do not understand why you stopped. You were the media outlet back then and why you stopped is beyond me.

    If you chose not to read this response and I will always repect your wishes also nothing is personal.

    Stephen Hardy
    AKA DeafHerbalist

  12. brenster- said,

    September 22, 2009 at 12:30 am

    It is quite refreshing to observe how dissents of those with strong Deaf identity and principles keep on finger-pointing at them for not accepting diversity. If those dissents claim to be such embracing diversity with open arms, they would accept those with strong Deaf identity – UNCONDITIONALLY! Accepting “people except those who are strongly involved in Deaf Civil Rights Movements” – this is really NOT embracing diversity.

    Back to your blog topic, they did the right thing. DeafRead and DeafVideo are NOT media outlets; they are businesses. People have every right to choose not to support those business venues that endorse Audism to promote number of hits. From what I have seen in both sites, Deaf Civil Rights Movement is not going to anywhere, but stay in circle BECAUSE of those dissents who constantly did things that were counter-productive.

    No, they did not blow it. There will be a new site!

    • deafherbalist said,

      September 22, 2009 at 2:23 am

      If there is a new site and then it is a good thing as long as they do not stop broadcasting those educational news. Are you 100% sure that Mr. Mayer supports audism? He mentioned that he is against any form of oppression and how is that different from the word audism? I am trying to understand this and several people are looking at this and we could not find any pattern of discrimination. There are an opposition groups out there and they differ in opinions. I think we could easily ignore those groups. If we give them energy and then they get bigger than life. I think I am seeing that the deafhood group wants Mr. Mayer to take sides and purge the dissents out of deafvideo.tv. Is this correct? Mr. Mayer says, “No” and will not take sides and the deafhood people got upset and left. Is this what has happened? I am trying very hard to decipher this particular issue and it is so complicated. I would love to see all deaf people join again as one. Remember, there are dissents everywhere and look at President Obama, he has tons of them.

    • White Ghost said,

      September 22, 2009 at 7:19 am

      Agreed. I predict that the Deaf Civil Rights Movements (DCRM) will discontinue. It’s *not* really embracing the modes of communication and the diversity. Think of Hearing Loss Association of America (HLAA), Hands and Voices, National Cued Speech Association, Cochlear Implant Association and many more.

      Why would they walk out from the Deafread and DVTV if the DCRM highly publicized and well-informed within the deaf community in general? They failed to do so.

      They blew in a big time.

      • brenster- said,

        September 22, 2009 at 8:04 am

        Stephen- See, see! That White Ghost’s comment. This is exactly an excellent example of many, many counter-productive comments. The ghost just doesn’t want us to thrive. This group would do anything, including spreading misconceptions (repeatedly). THAT, we don’t need; therefore, we’ll go somewhere else where we’ll thrive.

        Think of HLAA, HV, and other organizations that you (White Ghost) were referring to? They do NOT embrace ALL modes of communication and diversity! It looks like your definition of Deaf Diversity as ALL modes of communication EXCEPT ASL. Such a twisted statement!

  13. White Ghost said,

    September 22, 2009 at 9:41 am

    Brenster —

    It’s not what you think. I am referring to the people who walked out from the Deafread and DVTV. They will prevail if the DCRM provides some information to prove that they accept all the modes of communication in the Deafread and DVTV. Sadly, they decided to walk out from the Deafread and DVTV. Does not work that way……Failed, yes it did fail.

    Therefore, it is divided after all.

    • brenster- said,

      September 22, 2009 at 10:00 am

      Accepting ALL modes of communication is TWO-WAY street. Why is it OK that all other organizations not accept ASL but expect/require us to ACCEPT all modes. (note the absence of a question mark).

      They are practicing in what they believe (spoken English only & no ASL); you consider that they are not dividing the Deaf community. We are practicing in what we believe (thrive as Deaf-ASL people); you call us the dividers. You do not demand Agbell, HLAA, HV and other organizations to accept ALL modes, including ASL, yet you demand us to accept ALL.

      Your argument does not make any sense.

      • White Ghost said,

        September 22, 2009 at 10:20 am

        Brenster,

        Ok, if that’s what you think. Please tell me what does the “civil rights” mean to you?

        Accepting AG Bell Assoc for the Deaf? Accepting NAD? Accepting Hands and Voices? Accepting HLAA? Respect their beliefs?

        So, What about the DCRM? Are we forgetting about the DCRM’s plan? Huh?

        Well? If it is what you think that my argument does not make any sense to you, just be it.

  14. brenster- said,

    September 22, 2009 at 10:43 am

    As you can see, Stephen, White Ghost has not directly addressed my point about requiring them to ACCEPT ALL. So, debating that we must embrace all but evading to debate the same thing about them accepting all do not make this ghost’s point a strong argument.

    I didn’t want to go into this, but I decided to do it just to prove my point and I just did. Indeed, we stayed in circle. So, I’m done with this and much rather to raise the discourse into the next level with people who want to move forth with our progress.

    Thank you!

  15. White Ghost said,

    September 22, 2009 at 10:51 am

    Come on, Brenster! Don’t be play a game with me. All you want is to prove your point so you can win the game. That’s what you really want. I am giving you a win.

    • brenster- said,

      September 22, 2009 at 11:19 am

      So, this is your best pitch, once again another counter-productive discourse.

      It is with much regret that you do not fully grasp my point. You see, this is not a game. I posted my response to Stephen’s post to discuss my perspective, and that was the original reason. You stepped in, so I responded. All of sudden, I recognized the pattern (staying in circle) so I pointed it out.
      White Ghost, I do appreciate your contribution to the Deaf community by volunteering to be an example of the point I tried to address to Stephen.

      Therefore, Stephen, the walk-out is the right move. True, it’s DeafRead’s and DeafVideo’s huge loss, indeed.

  16. Deaf Anon said,

    September 22, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Stephen,

    Brenster is correct about White Ghost.

    White Ghost is one of the main troublemaker dividing the Deaf community.

    In the last two years or more, White Ghost is the major supporter of Barry, Russell, Mike Mc, Poatie, etc and that explains it all.

  17. Another Anonymous said,

    September 22, 2009 at 11:51 am

    If you support Deaf kids getting natural sign language, you should already be part of the DBC. If you are not already part, why do you want them to join here? So you can waste more time arguing with them?

    The DBC’s website clearly shows they are BUSY helping craft the new EHDI rules. What have YOU (this means ALL of you commenting on the subject!) been doing other than either arguing with them or wishing they would come back so you can argue with them some more?

    Not adding audism until Tayler comes up with his own definition might make some sense… IF people were working to craft some definition…

    But that’s not happening either. It’s all just talk-talk-talk on DR/DVTV. One well-known-and-not-quite-kicked-off guy will pick the opposite side of anything Ella says, just to keep the argument going and himself in the limelight… No interest whatsoever in making the world a better place.

    So don’t be too surprised when they make their own aggregator and DR/DVTV goes into the dustbin. Tayler is trying to control things by rules only, which lets those BSers who just start arguments for fun just study Tayler’s rules to see how they can evade the spirit of them without actually getting all the way kicked off.

    The people who actually wish for a dialogue can’t make any headway against the drama caused by those who we all now understand are just “gaming” the DR/DVTV rules to CAUSE fights that they get to sit back and watch for entertainment!

    Better to make real change elsewhere than to add to that dysfunctional dynamic.

  18. gamas said,

    September 22, 2009 at 11:55 am

    Organizations that do not attack another does appear to be more accepting of all albeit a different mission. That’s the big glaring differences.

  19. September 22, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Good message. I was on borderline to stay or leave in a week ago. But I realize if I leave, what it is good for me with my vlog to show I am standing in what I believe and able to have a good team since we, D/deaf people, are so small community/population. If we keep divide D/deaf community, then what is left for us to keep D/deaf culture and community alive?

    Thanks for your message!
    Toby

  20. Another Anonymous said,

    September 22, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    So Gamas thinks it’s DBC’s fault? Did the DBC somehow attack you, Gamas? Or do you just start out seeing them as the attackers because they stood up to the still-powerful AG Bell organization? How could they begin to talk to somebody who sees them already through such dark glasses? “Attackers” before they’ve even raised their hands to say anything, and you wonder why they don’t want to come back for more? Why SHOULD they?

    They are doing good things, and looking hard at the future, rather than just squabbling, but you still just see this as attacking? No wonder they don’t want to waste even MORE time with you!

    Squabble on… Enjoy the time you have on this planet by squabbling, if that’s how you prefer to spend your time… Or do something REAL to help Deaf kids.

    Up to each of us, just as it always HAS been. Off to get some real work done.

    • Gamas said,

      September 22, 2009 at 7:21 pm

      Did I say it was DBC’s fault? Did I say that DBC somehow attacked me? No. This is an example of assumptions gone wild. The fact that they protested against AGBell was one reason why I didn’t agree since their mission was only to raise awareness for babies to sign from the start. Go for it! However, that is not it! I think you failed to see the picture here. Basically, what I saw was some of the DBC core members that attacked several persons personally rather than the opinions of several persons. One core member attacked a blogger who asked, “how can I help?” And, another one called those who disagreed with their mission “Deficit Thinkers” and then there was more…psychos and so on. Organizations have to understand that not everyone will be receptive to their mission and that is the beauty of free will, to be able to opine.

      You make it sound like they were a saint, when that was further from the truth. Those of us who have been around remembers all this very well.

      And, even if it was a few core members that trashed and insulted those with different views such as disagreeing with how their approach was, the rest of the core members stood by, mum. They obviously condoned the behaviors of their core members?

      I have no problem if these organizations exists, but, they need to respect those that disagrees with their mission. Also, it appears many loved the idea of promoting signs, yet, some felt it was the parent’s final decision whether they should choose it or not. Opinions should not be turned into a personal vendetta based on a differing view.

      That is all there is to it. Respect for different views were badly needed, still is badly needed. There’s no professional conduct among some of the organization’s core members.

      • Gamas said,

        September 22, 2009 at 7:25 pm

        Also on the front, promoting babies to sign from the start was a great advocacy that many supported. When hidden mission started to show up, revealing more than just babies signing, many took a double take and said, ????? When people started to question things, that’s when all hell broke loose. Again, there seems to be a lot of mixed messages coming out of these organizations as well.

        I think new leadership needs to take place or start again from scratch and learn something from history itself.

      • Deaf Anon said,

        September 22, 2009 at 7:40 pm

        Gamas,

        Instead of being a blabber mouth, why don’t you be a leader and start up an organization and show these DBC leaders how it should be done.
        At least DBC did rock the boat to the point that enough attention is done and they may change strategy getting their message across.

        I really am getting sick of babbler mouths like yourself that have not actions to show for.

      • Gamas said,

        September 22, 2009 at 8:47 pm

        See anonymous’s comment below my comment, that is a good example of how no one can opine without getting shot at. That’s oppression of freedom to opine. Just because one has an opinion doesn’t mean he/she should do something like starting an organization or be a leader. It’s the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of thus far. Then one wonders how/why things are the way they are in the deaf blogosphere. 😉

      • Anonymous said,

        September 22, 2009 at 9:01 pm

        To Gamas from Beloit, Wisconson

        You have the right to opine but it is your attitude that stinks like an apologist.

        May I advise you to go to DeafVillage.com for the sake of your sanity as an apologist?

      • gamas said,

        September 24, 2009 at 5:46 pm

        LOL I don’t even live in Beloit WI.

        Let me go back up and check and see if I labeled you or anyone else….(moseyed up…)…nope, nothing…nada.

        Anony, if you disagree with me so be it. Why make a mole hill out of it? I have blogged over at DV and what is wrong with DV? Nothing. It’s a cool, even tempered site full of different approaches and opinions where everyone respects everyone else. I’m also very part of my deaf world, which of course begs the question of how many hypocrites there are in there considering that there are people like you that show up here.

        If you disagree with me, say so – without making an ass out of yourself.

  21. Deaf Anon said,

    September 22, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    gamas,

    Exposing the real color of another oppressor organization is not call attacking and that is the big glaring differences.

    • Gamas said,

      September 22, 2009 at 7:22 pm

      Read my comment to another anonymouse up there…

      • Deaf Anon said,

        September 22, 2009 at 8:03 pm

        Gamas,

        I don’t see any anonymouse up there!

  22. Ann_C said,

    September 22, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Hmmm, brenster, I’ve been to HLAA conventions and have seen ASL interpreters at seminars. All of HLAA’s conventions have placed emphasis on communication access for all deaf/Deaf/ HOH attendees. The organization has been fighting for health insurance coverage of hearing aids, which a lot Deaf people do use, and HR3101, the internet captioning bill that will be in Congress soon.

    I understand also that AGBell conventions allow ASL use and ASL interpreters for those desiring this communication method.

    HLAA, AGBell, Hands and Voices, Cueing Association and other deaf organizations all have different missions but have been respectful of ASL as another communication method, it’s just that ASL is not their primary missions. These organizations embrace the diversity in the deaf community and have not gone on attack mode against ASL, whereas DBC and Deafhood have been on the attack mode since day one. Consider that tilting at windmills will only distract from an organization’s mission to advance bilingualism and the use of ASL. Like White Ghost said, where is there respect for other deaf organizations’ beliefs (missions)?

    I will be curious as to how the new aggregator will enforce its stricter rules regarding “oppression”. Sooner or later a Deaf v/blogger or commenter will create a situation in which one claims his freedom of “speech” is being curtailed. And how will the new aggregator’s editorship deal with that? This is what Tayler has dealt with for two plus years now. Nothing new under the sun, ya see.

    • White Ghost said,

      September 22, 2009 at 3:10 pm

      Geez, Ann_C! I completely forgot all about the missions that many hearing-loss’ and deaf’s organizations have fought for our rights getting the HR3101bill and the health insurance! We are the same boat but we have our different beliefs!

      Upon your comment on Sept 22 at 2:31 PM that applies to Gamas’ comment on Sept 22 at 11:55 am.

      Well, Brenster? We didn’t get win-win situation nevertheless. Thanks for the kind words. 😉

      Sorry, Ann_C…..Okla’s QB Sam Bradford got a bandaid! 😦

    • brenster- said,

      September 22, 2009 at 4:50 pm

      “have not gone on attack mode against ASL,” you said, Ann_C? It seems that you have been forgetting the history (no wonder, we repeat the history). There are many times when the organizations devalued ASL and spread myths about ASL. One excellent example: Agbell’s letter to Pepsi. Instead of saying, that’s a great exposure for Deaf people, showing a great diversity of us…, for the whole letter, Agbell attacked ASL. So, don’t say that the organizations have not gone on attack mode against ASL, because it is completely false. Thank you!

      • Ann_C said,

        September 22, 2009 at 11:40 pm

        brenster,

        AGBell’s letter to Pepsi was written back in Jan. 31, 2008, after the Super Bowl commercial aired. BTW, Darren Therriault, one of the two actors in the commercial, uses a cochlear implant and came from an oral school background. I grant you that AGBell made a serious public relations error, the letter was addressed to Pepsi, not the deaf community. But the organization has since learned from that lesson and made a Position Statement on ASL ratified by the Board of Trustees on June 11, 2008, which I discuss in my blog article, “AGBell’s Position Statement on ASL”.

        This Statement was passed several weeks before DBC’s national conference took place in Milwaukee across the street from from AGBell’s conference at the same time. And what did DBC do? Brian Riley’s “Gearing Up” editorial at http://dbusa.org/index.php/Conference-Update/Gearing-Up.html went tit-for-tat. Except AGBell didn’t take the bait this time, the organization had better things to do, like following their mission instead of attacking other deaf organizations.

        DBC, Deafhood, and AFA can do likewise, but they haven’t so far. They’re keeping the ghosts alive and missions don’t get accomplished.

        I’d have more respect for such organizations if they would just follow their missions and cut out the carping over what other organizations ought or ought not do. This is what I’m trying to get across. 😛

    • Gamas said,

      September 22, 2009 at 8:55 pm

      Exactly. That’s what I mean by glaring differences. Each organization has its own mission and respect goes a long way.

  23. deafherbalist said,

    September 22, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    This is a very interesting journey. I had a dream that one day we all sat down on the same table and discussing how we can overcome injustice, prejudices, oppression in this world. I believe we should respect all views and opinions. I also saw that all D/deaf people happy because we all were united. It was a beautiful world and I was in tears of joy.

    Then I woke up. *sigh!*

  24. Ann_C said,

    September 22, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Stephen,

    I’m oral deaf and I’ve had the same dream. Nothing wrong about staying the course for D/deaf unity, it’s just going to take a helluva lot longer time. It takes a lot of patience and acceptance of other d/Deaf regardless of one’s background, education, and communication mode. Some aren’t ready for that unity.

    Good message to pass along.

    • Stephen Hardy said,

      September 22, 2009 at 5:18 pm

      Hello Ann_C,

      I accept you for who you are and we are part of this D/deaf world.

      There are a lot of beautiful people at DBC, DeafHood, AFA that I personally knew. They are nothing like what you see online. Their hearts are in the right place and people are fighting over ideology which is normal. I think the D/deaf community are evolving into something great.

      I believe in my heart that the Deafhood people will welcome you as one of their brothers and sisters. When things cools off and we need to get together and share this common bond that we all have within.

      I have no intend to change you and I accept you as you are. *smiles*

  25. Tom Willard said,

    September 22, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Deaf Read was responsible for changing my views of the deaf world from positive to negative. It can’t die fast enough for me.

    • Ann_C said,

      September 24, 2009 at 12:11 am

      Tom Willard,

      Speaking of ghosts, I thot you’d died and gone to heaven.

      I used to enjoy reading your blogs before DR banned yours. Are you still writing your blog elsewhere in the deaf blogosphere?

    • gamas said,

      September 24, 2009 at 5:46 pm

      Keep donating to stem cell research, that will speed up things. 😉

    • Deaf258 said,

      September 25, 2009 at 1:59 am

      You’re negative before as you are negative now. Nothing new coming from you, honey. 🙂

  26. Dianrez said,

    September 22, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Ghosts from the past are still haunting the various groups that disagree with one another on means and philosophies. What is interfering with laying these ghosts to rest permanently and going on with a new slate is that some of the ghosts are still alive.

    • White Ghost said,

      September 23, 2009 at 7:46 am

      Ha, ha, ha, Dianrez…….Casper is a good and native boy! 😉


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